Well... Not to my face.
But, he called those who think business people should not be able to discriminate against gay people in providing services for same-sex weddings "left-wing ideologues."
So, I guess I must be included.
Which is really funny to me.
Because in my U.S. Government class in high school we had to take this little test which measured how liberal or conservative we were. The results? This kinda hot Mormon boy and I got a tie score as the most conservative people in the school. He was interested in me for about five minutes. Until he found out how Catholic I was. The teacher said, "Marla, you should be on your knees before Ronald Reagan." (Mind you. This was no insult. That particular teacher was a staunch Republican.)
And -- yes -- I voted for Reagan. And Bush. And Bush. And McCain. And Romney. (Although, that one was rather painful.)
I also homeschooled my kids and paid their tuition at pretty much the most conservative Catholic colleges IN THE WORLD. Not in the state, mind you. Or even the country. But, THE WORLD.
So, to have myself lumped in with the "left-wing ideologues" was quite hilarious. And also quite illustrative of today's conservative thinking.
Which is why, I suppose, I can't really call myself a conservative, anymore. I jumped off that train as it derailed and I found my feet firmly planted in the land of Obamacare.
And after much research and thinking and soul-searching, I have also found my feet firmly planted in the land of marriage equality. If a marriage is legal, then it should stand on equal legal ground with all other legal marriages, and should be respected, as such.
And what does this mean to me, as far as religious freedom goes?
It means that the Catholic Church (and any other religious organization) should never, ever be forced to preside at weddings which do not conform to their theology. Even the Human Rights Campaign asserts that they should never have to do this, as it would be a very clear violation of the Constitution.
But, as far as taking photographs and serving food and baking cakes and preparing pizza? To assert that to do this is a violation of your religious freedom is tenuous, at best. And more like ridiculous. I'm not going to go into a big explanation of this. Many others have explained it, and explained it very well.
I am, though, going to tell you where all this pizza/cake/flowers/photograph hoo-ha came from.
As I have existed, for many years, in the land of the right -- both religious and political -- I was able to observe much of the development of the anti-same-sex-marriage movement. And I came to realize that it was primarily based on fear. The movement had to make people afraid of what would happen to them if same-sex marriage became a reality. I heard priests and political people speak very persuasively about how we Christians would be persecuted if same-sex marriage were legalized. It truly was frightening. I became frightened. And I'm sorry for that. It was only after I started doing research and speaking to people on my own that I became un-frightened. Now -- mind you -- there were (and are) people who don't support same-sex marriage and who speak about their views in a way that is not fear-inducing. It is more philosphical and theological. But, there was (and is) A LOT of hysterical talk in the anti-same-sex-marriage movement.
So, when same-sex marriage was legalized in many places and nothing frightening occurred and most people were starting to make peace with their same-sex-married-couple neighbors, the anti-same-sex-marriage movement had to come up with a way to show the populace that they were, IN FACT, being religiously persecuted and should, IN FACT, be very afraid. Enter the Same-Sex-Pizza-Wars (insert "flowers" or "photography" or "cake" for "pizza," as you so desire).
Simply put: YOU ARE BEING PLAYED, nice conservative people.
(And here I'm going to put in a plug for the nice conservative people. Most of them don't hate anybody. Some of them do. This is true. And that hate is absolutely unacceptable. But, most of them don't. They are being played, which calls for a little patience and understanding on your part, nice progressive people.)
Because, you know what? Providing wedding services is not the same thing as participating in a marriage ceremony. And refusing to provide the services of your business because a marriage does not conform to your theology could rightfully be seen as constituting discrimination. I, personally, believe it does.
There are many types of marriages that the Catholic Church does not deem as "Sacramental" in its theology. Same-sex marriage is one of those types, but there are many others. I generally don't see the Catholic Church, or any other Christian churches, making a lot of noise about their members catering these other non-Sacramental weddings. So, frankly, it looks like we are picking on the LGBTQ people in a rather cruel way.
I look at it this way. I understand what the Catholic Church teaches about marriage. And I respect it. But, I am also quite sure that we don't know everything there is to know about human sexuality. And if somebody is gay or lesbian, forming a relationship with a person of the same sex is the natural thing to do. And these relationships are whole relationships. They are not just all about the sex act. They truly are about love and commitment. They are emotionally and spiritually supportive. They are TOTAL relationships.
Yes, there are unhealthy same-sex relationships. There are also unhealthy heterosexual relationships -- lots of them. But, same-sex relationships can also be very healthy and satisfying for the people involved. And I feel uncomfortable casting a negative judgment on these relationships. I think to myself, "I am very straight. What if I was told I either had to marry another woman or be alone for the rest of my life?" That kind of sums it up, for me.
So, this Catholic lady, who sent her kids to the three most conservative Catholic colleges IN THE WORLD, would -- if I knew how -- be very happy to arrange the flowers or bake the cake or take the pictures or prepare the pizza for your same-sex wedding. And I would wish you much happiness as I did so.
Pax.
Catholic. Wife. Mum. Rule-Breaker. Lover of bawdy humor. (Don't worry if you don't agree with me. I probably won't agree with me by tomorrow, anyway...)
Showing posts with label No Hate. Show all posts
Showing posts with label No Hate. Show all posts
Friday, April 24, 2015
Wednesday, October 9, 2013
No Hate
No
H8
You see a lot of talk about "hate" these days. A lot of people feel hated -- on both and all sides of the political and religious divide.
LGBT people often feel hated by conservatives and by people who belong to more conservative religions and by the Catholic Church.
And conservatives and people who belong to more conservative religions and members of the Catholic Church can also feel hated by LGBT people and their supporters.
And, I am not naive, I know that there is actual hatred out there.
So, I think we all need to consider a couple of things.
First of all, nobody should be hating anybody. Short of that, nobody should be acting in an uncharitable manner toward anybody -- in thought, word, or deed. I admit, I think particularly of Catholics here, because I am a Catholic and I hang around with a lot of Catholics. I have seen Catholics who do not even attempt to understand the position of the LGBT community and their supporters concerning gay marriage and gay rights. I have heard Catholic lay people and clergy express the opinion that the LGBT community wants to discriminate against us and persecute us. Some Catholics have even said that the LGBT community would make martyrs of us -- not by killing us, mind you -- but, by forcing us to photograph and cater the food for and even officiate at their wedding ceremonies. These attitudes, though, are not really expressions of hatred. They are more expressions of fear. And what I don't like is when influential Catholics stoke this fear with their words and deeds. Because when fear is stoked, hatred can develop. Now, to be fair, somebody told me that there was a case where a wedding photographer was sued -- and lost -- because she didn't want to photograph a same-sex wedding. I don't know the details of this case. Although, I have the feeling that there were probably some interpersonal missteps along the way. Perhaps there were some misunderstandings that could have been resolved between the individuals before the whole situation became a legal conflict. And this leads me to my next point.
Have we forgotten that we can disagree without hating? Have we forgotten that we can RESPECTFULLY disagree, that we can live and let live? This goes for ALL people -- religious, secular, conservative, progressive. It is both fruitless and counter-productive to try to force somebody to accept your view of the world. It is even more fruitless and counter-productive to accuse somebody or a whole group of people or an institution of hating you because you disagree over an issue -- even an important issue. The Catholic Church, for example, has a very complex theology regarding marriage. This theology has developed over 2000+ years. It is reflective of how the Church views God and creation. It is not meant to discriminate against anybody. Are there people who use the Church's teaching to discriminate? Yes. And this is not right. But, it is not the intent of the Church -- at least, I don't think it is -- to have her teachings used to discriminate against people.
On the other side of the coin, it is quite wrong -- and Pope Francis has spoken about this -- to try to force others into your religious views. Respect for human dignity requires us to actually respect that others do not all accept the Catholic way of looking at things. The Church also requires us to look at people and situations with compassion. For example, I am the kind of person who has a hard time being alone in life. It has always been quite valuable to me to have somebody to share myself with -- spiritually, emotionally, physically. So, I can easily imagine being a lesbian and wanting to have a life partner. I can imagine how hard it would be to be denied that, especially in the civil law. I could understand if certain religions didn't want to perform my wedding ceremony, because of their long-standing theology. But, I guess I would also feel discriminated against if religions were speaking about me and the person I loved as being harmful to society, especially if we just wanted to live a quiet life in peace. I would also feel discriminated against if I could be legally married in my state and yet not allowed marriage benefits -- like social security -- on the federal level. And I suppose having to live with all this lack of consistency in the law -- lack of consistency which would cause me and my spouse actual and concrete hardship -- might make me feel hated. So, as a Catholic who tries to be compassionate, I put myself in the shoes of my lesbian sisters and have a desire to treat them fairly.
There are some who think that it is the job of Catholics to make the civil law reflect the Divine Law -- at least, the Divine Law as these particular Catholics see it. The people who think this are not trying to be cruel to others of different ideas. They just believe that the Catholic version of Divine Law will bring with it what they see as true justice, liberty, and equality. The problem is, though, that there are too many different people of too many different ideas in our society. And a lot of those people would feel discriminated against if they perceived that the Catholic Church was dictating how they lived their lives. People need to be able to make their own choices -- especially about their adult lives -- as freely as possible. Laws are necessary, yes. But, a big function of the law -- in my opinion, anyway -- is to keep people from treading on each other unfairly. We need to be able to co-exist, like that bumper sticker says. Sometimes, I want to get a Reagan bumper sticker, an Obama bumper sticker, a Catholic bumper sticker, and one of those co-exist bumper stickers, and put ALL of them on my bumper. Along with my Harley-Davidson sticker. This is because I am, as my mother always said, a "shit-disturber."
I hope, then, that all of us -- secular and religious, conservative and progressive -- will strive to have more mutual understanding. I hope that our government will strive to make laws which allow all of us to live lives of peace, according to our consciences. I hope that people and institutions are not unfairly accused of hatred. And I hope that where hatred does actually exist, that it is rooted out, in the only way it can actually be rooted out -- by love.
H8
You see a lot of talk about "hate" these days. A lot of people feel hated -- on both and all sides of the political and religious divide.
LGBT people often feel hated by conservatives and by people who belong to more conservative religions and by the Catholic Church.
And conservatives and people who belong to more conservative religions and members of the Catholic Church can also feel hated by LGBT people and their supporters.
And, I am not naive, I know that there is actual hatred out there.
So, I think we all need to consider a couple of things.
First of all, nobody should be hating anybody. Short of that, nobody should be acting in an uncharitable manner toward anybody -- in thought, word, or deed. I admit, I think particularly of Catholics here, because I am a Catholic and I hang around with a lot of Catholics. I have seen Catholics who do not even attempt to understand the position of the LGBT community and their supporters concerning gay marriage and gay rights. I have heard Catholic lay people and clergy express the opinion that the LGBT community wants to discriminate against us and persecute us. Some Catholics have even said that the LGBT community would make martyrs of us -- not by killing us, mind you -- but, by forcing us to photograph and cater the food for and even officiate at their wedding ceremonies. These attitudes, though, are not really expressions of hatred. They are more expressions of fear. And what I don't like is when influential Catholics stoke this fear with their words and deeds. Because when fear is stoked, hatred can develop. Now, to be fair, somebody told me that there was a case where a wedding photographer was sued -- and lost -- because she didn't want to photograph a same-sex wedding. I don't know the details of this case. Although, I have the feeling that there were probably some interpersonal missteps along the way. Perhaps there were some misunderstandings that could have been resolved between the individuals before the whole situation became a legal conflict. And this leads me to my next point.
Have we forgotten that we can disagree without hating? Have we forgotten that we can RESPECTFULLY disagree, that we can live and let live? This goes for ALL people -- religious, secular, conservative, progressive. It is both fruitless and counter-productive to try to force somebody to accept your view of the world. It is even more fruitless and counter-productive to accuse somebody or a whole group of people or an institution of hating you because you disagree over an issue -- even an important issue. The Catholic Church, for example, has a very complex theology regarding marriage. This theology has developed over 2000+ years. It is reflective of how the Church views God and creation. It is not meant to discriminate against anybody. Are there people who use the Church's teaching to discriminate? Yes. And this is not right. But, it is not the intent of the Church -- at least, I don't think it is -- to have her teachings used to discriminate against people.
On the other side of the coin, it is quite wrong -- and Pope Francis has spoken about this -- to try to force others into your religious views. Respect for human dignity requires us to actually respect that others do not all accept the Catholic way of looking at things. The Church also requires us to look at people and situations with compassion. For example, I am the kind of person who has a hard time being alone in life. It has always been quite valuable to me to have somebody to share myself with -- spiritually, emotionally, physically. So, I can easily imagine being a lesbian and wanting to have a life partner. I can imagine how hard it would be to be denied that, especially in the civil law. I could understand if certain religions didn't want to perform my wedding ceremony, because of their long-standing theology. But, I guess I would also feel discriminated against if religions were speaking about me and the person I loved as being harmful to society, especially if we just wanted to live a quiet life in peace. I would also feel discriminated against if I could be legally married in my state and yet not allowed marriage benefits -- like social security -- on the federal level. And I suppose having to live with all this lack of consistency in the law -- lack of consistency which would cause me and my spouse actual and concrete hardship -- might make me feel hated. So, as a Catholic who tries to be compassionate, I put myself in the shoes of my lesbian sisters and have a desire to treat them fairly.
There are some who think that it is the job of Catholics to make the civil law reflect the Divine Law -- at least, the Divine Law as these particular Catholics see it. The people who think this are not trying to be cruel to others of different ideas. They just believe that the Catholic version of Divine Law will bring with it what they see as true justice, liberty, and equality. The problem is, though, that there are too many different people of too many different ideas in our society. And a lot of those people would feel discriminated against if they perceived that the Catholic Church was dictating how they lived their lives. People need to be able to make their own choices -- especially about their adult lives -- as freely as possible. Laws are necessary, yes. But, a big function of the law -- in my opinion, anyway -- is to keep people from treading on each other unfairly. We need to be able to co-exist, like that bumper sticker says. Sometimes, I want to get a Reagan bumper sticker, an Obama bumper sticker, a Catholic bumper sticker, and one of those co-exist bumper stickers, and put ALL of them on my bumper. Along with my Harley-Davidson sticker. This is because I am, as my mother always said, a "shit-disturber."
I hope, then, that all of us -- secular and religious, conservative and progressive -- will strive to have more mutual understanding. I hope that our government will strive to make laws which allow all of us to live lives of peace, according to our consciences. I hope that people and institutions are not unfairly accused of hatred. And I hope that where hatred does actually exist, that it is rooted out, in the only way it can actually be rooted out -- by love.
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